Demerit System – How The “P” License Can Be Withdrawn
In order to minimise the above, drivers should be made conscious of road safety as well as to follow road rules and regulations.
Young or new drivers, that is the “P” drivers unfortunately, are unaware that their P License can rather easily be suspended or “withdrawn”. In fact, the “P” License is a Probationary License for 2 years. Drive carefully and safely or you might end up loosing it.
In this short article, I shall endeavour to explain the best possible manner you can prevent your P License getting Suspended.
This Demerit System involves around APJ Sections 35, 35A, 37 and 38. Drivers under the category of CDL (Competent Drivers’ License) and the “P” category beware!
Under its list, some 18 items of traffic offences are listed. Points ranging from 5 to 15 are given when you are summoned by the J.P.J / Police or the Courts. When Fines are paid, a system of Records is created at the Putrajaya JPJ Headquarters.
As this article solely deals with the problem of “P” License only, thus how it gets being suspended will be addressed.
First, avoid getting “hit” by APJ Section 41-43 (driving recklessly / dangerously / undue care) which carries 15 demerits points, which is Way Above the suspension limit of 10 demerit points. (You accumulate 10 points in 1 year). This will end your “P” License.
Secondly, avoid getting summoned also under Section 45B (4) or 45C (6) which brings 15 points too.
Thirdly, P drivers should also stay away from
a) not having “P” Stickers on the left hand corner and rear windscreen of your car.
b) beating the “red” traffic lights.
c) speeding over 40 km/h in designated areas (Section 40/96 APJ).
Remember, therefore getting summoned under Section 41-43 (15 points) and Sections 45B (4) and 45C(6) and Section 40/96 APJ ‘87 WILL END your “P” Lifespan.
Finally, remember too your “P” lasts 2 years. After this period, ensure you convert it into CDL (Competent Drivers License) within 1 year period.
The procedure is simple!
Supply:
i) 1 colour photo
ii) Photostat copy MyKad (both sides)
iii) Original P License
iv) RM30 per year. Maximum 10 years.
You can only do the above at any J.P.J office. Contact your driving school instructor / institute should you face any difficulties.
Hope you will be able to prevent your “P” License from being suspended.
By the way, if your P should ever be suspended, you are not allowed to Drive during the suspension period nor are you allowed to apply for any form of License (of any class) from the time your license is suspended.
One good news to you anyway! A person whose P license is suspended will have to resit the “Practical” aspect (slope, side parking, 3 point turn) and the “Road Test” all over again.
However, you can be exempted from resitting the Highway Code test. You have first to apply for permission from the Pengarah J.P.J. in Putrajaya.
If you feel all this is a hassle, just sit for the undang-undang test (Highway Code Test) all over again.
Hi sir, i would love to seek for an answer.
I am still under the P period and i had speeding summon under S79(2) APJ 1987 PANDU LAJU.
Will my license be suspended?
How many demerit points is it account to?
Thank you in advance.
Dear Reila,
Depends on how fast you were speeding.
i) Over 40 km/j – 10 pts
ii) 26 – 39 km/j – 8 pts
iii) 1 – 25 km/j – 6pts
Suspension of license is up to J.P.J. in Putrajaya.
‘Cikgu Yap
oh… i see..
thank you so much
i was so scared when i received the summon letter.
thankfully i was over by 17km/j
thanks for replying =P
hi Sir,
my license still uder P period.
i ditahan oleh jpj pada 18/11/2009. i ask to the officer ,if my license will suspended? but she said
“TIDAK, tetapi saya akan di KOMPAUN ATAS KESALAHAN TIDAK MEMPAMERKAN P..
My P licensed will end on 18/12/2009. I ‘m very worried about this. can you give any suggestions, what should i do? Should I still go to the JPJ office to convert my P license to CDL? I already check for JPJ’s blacklist as well as kejara oline, but the system was not updated,mean I do not have any record yet.
Thank you for any advise.
Dear Sue,
Your “P” can only be changed to C.D.L. only after 18/12/09.
Hold on to your compound until 18/12/09. Then quickly take out your C.D.L. license.
After that, do settle your compound summons.
‘Cikgu Yap
I got stopped by a JPJ officer today. (04/12/09)
For an expired P license.
My P drivers license expires on 29/11/09
He said that my licence may be suspended as I am driving around with an expired P. Is this valid as you said above that I have 1 year to change to a CDL after the P expires.
Dear Hahn,
Sorry, it looks as if you have misunderstood statement. You cannot drive with expired “P”!
1 year duration is for you to convert the “P” to C.D.L. (passed license).
‘Cikgu Yap
I was summoned for running a red light on 11/12/2009 and my P license will expire on 07/01/2010. I read that I have a 30-day period to settle my summons. Problem is I don’t mind paying, I’m just scared that I will lose my Lesen P (10 point deduction right? It’s my first offence) once i settle it. Should I simply convert to CDL ahead of expiry before I pay my summons? Is that possible (cuz I’ve a long time still)?
Thank you!
Dear Zac,
You can only convert your “P” on 7/1/2010. After that, settle your summons.
Whether any action by JPJ, Putrajaya will be decided by the authorities.
‘Cikgu Yap
Im a P license holder and it is expiring on 19/2/2010. I was involved in an accident earlier and a police report has been made. My question is will the police officers revoke my P license if im at fault for the accident?
Thanks.
Dear Mic,
Depends on what type of accident you’re involved in. Have you been summoned for the accident?
Revoking a person’s license is the duty of J.P.J. in Putrajaya.
Personally, I feel you should not be unduly worried. Wait for Putrajaya’s advice.
‘Cikgu Yap
Hi my P licence expired on october 08 but as i was studying overseas therefore i couldn’t renew it till now im back for 2weeks and its been 1yr and 2months. what should I do?
Dear Michelle,
You will now have to contact J.P.J. Headquarters in Putrajaya. The authorities will then advise you what steps to take next.
Probably, you will have to re-sit certain parts of your practical test.
‘Cikgu Yap
Hi if i got the L licence of motorcycle , may i drive my motorcycle on the road?
Dear Ang,
Yes you can. Affix the “L” in front and back.
Safe riding!
‘Cikgu Yap
But my teacher say cannot it is because the L licence , only can be use by learning with teacher , is it true?
Dear Ang,
“L” license for motorcycles permits a student to ride on his own. Only a car needs a driving instructor beside him.
Your instructor has given you wrong advice.
‘Cikgu Yap
Sir,
My daughter’s “P” driving licence is expired on the 29 dec 2009. But she is in United Kingdom to further her study now. can I do the renewal for her to obtain the CDL licence?
I understand that to convert P licence to CDL licence, I have to do it in JPJ and not in post office. What do I need to bring? Do I need to show prove that she is in UK? what kind of prove?
Dear ChongKY,
To get your daughter’s CDL, yes you can renew it on her behalf. Do it at J.P.J. office only. You’ll need:
i) 1 piece colour photograph.
ii) Mykad photostat.
iii) The “P” license (original).
You can also engage a runner to do the CDL for your daughter. CDL is RM30 per year. You can do it for 5 years (RM150).
‘Cikgu Yap
Dear Sir,
Can you tell me about the demerit point system and what are the offences that increases the points?
Dear Chuen,
A good question. Looks as if I have forgotten to write an article to explain about this system. As such, please be patient a little longer. I will write an article on it very soon.
Dear Sir, I’m having trouble to renew my P driving licence. My licence expires 3/02/2010 and I’m coming home on the exact same day. Is it possible to renew it a day late and how long is it to consider an acceptable duration. thanks
Dear nic,
Date of your renewal to “P” is still a long way of. A few days late in renewing your “P” does not matter.
thank you.
hi, sir.
my P license will expire on 19/03/2010. I was summoned for running a red light + failed to provide license (that time i forgot to bring my wallet out, all my id is inside) (that time it was yellow light, & i already beyond the stop line, i cant reverse, the car behind is too close with me, and i cant just stop at the middle, it will block other people. so i go on, but police stop me.) and if i paid my summon, i will get 15point!!!!!!!
i cant loose my P license, i need it to drove to college to study. (if JPJ batal my license, i cant drive to study, and it will “jejas my study process!!!!)
i dont want to be like that!!!
can i do “rayuan” so that i can use my license to drive to school to study !? can sir help me with this. (that time i was no choice that i have to go on the red light. I WAS NO CHOICE!!!) PLEASE HELP.
Thank you!
Dear agent48.
I am uncertain as to whether you’ve been given 1 or 2 summons. If you had reliased earlier that your license is important to you, you wouldn’t have driven the way you did.
In future, when seeing a yellow light, you should slow down and get ready to stop.
The only advice I that can be given to you is hold on to your summons till 19/3/2010. Then convert your P to C.D.L. Then go to settle your summons after that.
i worried it will effect my roadtax, so i will go to pay it within a few day from now (around 9/2/10 to 12/2/10)after paid,it will be a kejara record that will effect me, can i made a rayuan..??
Dear agent48,
Your running a traffic light will not in any way effect your changing of your car road tax. So go ahead and get your road tax.
dear cikgu yap,
the summon i get is 2 offences in one summon paper (i go to myeg.com to check, the saman is in the PDRM site, but nothing at the JPJ site). so it’s mean no problem to renew my road tax ???
one more thing,
inside the summon paper, got a line of word that wrote “KAMU ADALAH DENGAN INI DIPERINTAHKAN supaya hadir sendiri atau melalui penguam di hadapan makamah majistret di ………. ” what that’s mean???
mine got write something. it say’s i have “to appear in person or by counsel before magisttrate court at [ this part i cant read what he's wrote ] on 3/3/10, time [ cant read what he's wrote also ] “. I dont konw what the police wrote, [ his writing is very bad, i cant understand what he's wrote ].
sir (cikgu yap) say i should wait till 2010, then only pay my summon. But what if i dint go to court??? or pay……. will i get black listed??? will police come to arrest me!? 1st time got summon, im worried, so im asking many quwstion, sorry. (mine 1 is PDRM summon).
Dear agent48,
You have been given 2 summons.
a) Beating traffic lights.
b) No possessing license.
Try appealing for lower fines at PRDM. You might get a lower amount. Most PDRM summons are compound summons payable ideally within 1 month.
Should you fail to settle the above summons within 1 month, then you have to appear in court. My advise is, pay up the summons as soon as possible.
Don’t worry, the Police will not come to arrest you. Pay the summons as I have advised.
oh no !! i have made a big mistake on my post!!!! the stated date of my P license expired date is not on year 2010, but is on 2011 march 19. please be inform. & sorry. thanks
hi sir..my situation is totallly different..someone hit my car last year and the police say its my fault..there were no casualties or injuries..jz a scratch on his car..we both filed a police report which was the biggest mistake of my life..i was given summon for carelessness..i din pay up my fine n din show up in court..i received a letter sayin a warrent for arrest has been issued..my “P”license ends in 12/6/2010.. what do i do?if i hold it out for another 4 months till i get my C.D.L will anything happen?can i hold out for 4 months?
Dear Jay,
A warrant of arrest as you say has been issued against you. You have to quickly settle the earlier summons. You have no other choice.
Your “P” maturity is 4 months away and you are advised not to wait too long.
can i still take my C.D.L is i dont pay my summons?
Means your saying that im gona lose my license?
Dear Jay,
Warrant of arrest has nothing to do with you losing your license. Whether you can take out your CDL by 12/6/2010 depends on whether J.P.J. Putrajaya takes action on you under the Demerit System.
does d warrant of arrest and summons have a different charge?if i pay up my summons woulndt they record it into the J.P.J system?from what i know if i pay up the summons it will be recorded into the system and my license will be revoked. Is that true?if i don’t pay it means it still hasn’t been recorded into the system. Sorry if i ask too many question. One more thing i would like to ask is about the warrant of arrest. I’m living in J.B, the warrant of arrest does it come from J.B itself or bukit aman?
Warrant of arrest is issued as you have not paid up your summons within the time stipulated. Whether J.P.J. Putrajaya decides to take action on your or otherwise depend on them entirely.
As your offence seems rather trivial, I feel consideration will be accorded to you. In my personal opinion, I doubt very much if you license will be revoked.
Hi there,
I was wondering how long does it takes to get my C license?
Is it going to be processed on the spot or have to wait for a few weeks?
My P license expired on 3rd of Aug 2010.
Thanks a lot!
You must be referring to your CDL. Go personally to JPJ office. It can be processed on the spot.
Hello,
I am currently holding a class D probationary license.
Although it wasn’t my fault, today I was slapped with a fine under Rule: R3(2)B
The kesalahan written on the saman ticket was: Cuai Mengakibat Kemalangan Jalan Raya
Is this under Seksyen 43 of the APJ which carries a 15 point demerit?
“Cuai mengakibatkan kemalangan jalan raya” violates Section 44 of the R.T.O. 1987. Yes, you are right. Under Demerit System, it carries a 15 points.
Dear mr. yap
I have a question regarding to the “P” license.
My careless brother forgot to bring his wallet out and drive to town one night. So unluckily he met up with JPJ road block when he was on his way back home, the JPJ officer had summoned him for “failed to show P license” under Seksyen 58 (2)
My question is, how many demerit points will he get? And he’s now go overseas study, if this coming one more years he didn’t drive and didn’t get any summon, will he still get he CDL license after this?
Your brother has violated Section 58 (2) of R.T.O. 1987. Under Demerit System, your brother will receive 5 demerits points. For a “P” to be banned, one needs to accumulate 10 demerit points within a year!
Looking at things, my opinion is your brother license should be O.K.
Dear Mr Yap,
My friend recently borrowed my car to KL. Unfortunately, I forgot to replace the old road tax with the new one. The new one is at home. He was fined and apparently the officer said his license will be suspended as hes still using P.
I would like to ask what is the demerit for this offense? How long is his license going to be suspended? Is there any way he can appeal as it is not his fault as it is my car? And can I appeal to pay less for the fine as I am a student.
Thank you in advance.
Presently, I am unable to quote the offense your friend is charged. Will try to find out the answer to your question soon. Yes, you can try making an appeal.
Hi sir,
I would like to ask that my P license due date is on 16 of April 2010…it is possible i convert my P license to CDL license on 16 of April 2010 early on one days renew? or must be on 17 of April 2010 only can renew for it?? i would like to seek for an answer. Thank you.
Yes, you can change your “P” on 17th April 2010.
Cikgu Yap , i had a problem . i got a summon about not have sticker “P” in front and rear of motorsikal and road tax had expired for a period by PDRM . That summon stated a date and time that i need to go to the court , i really need to attend it ? but in that time i will have been staying out of state . And will it be the cause to suspend my “P”?
Having no P stickers front / back is serious offense. Pray that your P license is not withdrawn under the Demerit System. For road tax expiring, you will obviously get another summons. No matter what, ensure you attend the court case.
Hi sir,
how to know weather our license is still valid !?!?
can we check it online?
A one piece license has the dates embossed onto the license itself. For license which have 2 pieces, the 2nd piece has the dates on it.
oh i saw it.
thank you sir.
My “P” license is going to expire by 11/11/10. So, what I have to do is to renew my license before that date right??
I wanna ask if I have to sit for any tests if I were to renew my P license.
Thanks.
Have your P changed to C.D.L. on 11/11/2010. No test required.
Hi sir! I got summon yesterday.. i got summon about crossing double line and My `P` license is going to expire on 19/09/10. So, how much i have to pay the summon and how about demerit system.. And will it be the cause to suspend my “P”?
Your summons should probably be around RM150. Overtaking at double line appears to be a minor offense. Even if points are deducted under the demerit system, it should be a problem as to affect cancellation of your P license.
Hello Cikgu Yap..
I got summon last month (18 May 2010) for not putting P stickers..
My P license expire in 2 days time (24 June 2010).. But they wrote in the summon paper i have to pay the compound on 22th of June.. I planned to pay the compound today, as in later… Would they suspend my license? If yes what the best way for me to do? Should i wait until i change to C.D.L first or pay the compound first? Thanks in advance for reading..
My advice is pay up the summons first before 22/6/2010. Then quickly by 24/6/2010 change your P to CDL.
Dear Cikgu Yap,
I’ve got into an accident yesterday. But, it wasn’t confirmed whether or not it’s my fault yet. The thing is, I’ve got in to an accident beginning of this year which i already paid the compound. Apparently, a letter should be issued to me earlier this year about my “P” license. But, i’ve not received it. And, stupidly i got into another accident yesterday. And, yes we filed a police report. I guess i stand a very high chance in losing my “P” license. Is there anyhow that I can save my “P” license. By the way, I only got my license end of last year which does not make my “p” expiration any closer.
Thank You.
Regard to your accident, it’s surprising the officer failed to inform you if you’re wrong or not. As regards to your last accident, the summons of which you’re already paid up, not all accidents are given demerit points. Do not be unduly worried. Wait for Putrajaya to make the decision later.
Dear Mr. Yap,
i met with an accident a few months after i obtained my P license. after reporting to the police & paying up the summons, there was no news about suspending nor revoking my driving license.
it has been almost a year and a half now, and my P license is about to expire. does it mean that i have to resit the whole exam again once my license ends? but i didn’t receive any news regarding my license after that incident.
No news is good news. When you “P” period is up, quickly renew it to CDL.
Hi Cikgu Yap,
My name is Nicholas, I would like to ask your suggestion. What if that person have 1 summons from PDRM because no driving license, can the person apply the driving license?
Please advice…
Thanks
If the police summons is a compound summons, pay up the summons at nearest police station. If the above has not led you to become blacklisted, yes, you can enroll for driving lessons.
Hi Cikgu Yap
Today I tried to renew my road tax and found that it was blocked. After some investigation I discovered I have 2 outstanding summons against my name for speeding dating back to 11/2007 and 1/2008 … but I only got just received my “P” license last month! The speeding offense must have been committed by my wife who has been the family’s driver until now although the actual ownership of the car and insurance has always been in my name (despite my lack of license) with my wife insured as a named driver.
What can I do? If I go and pay the fine then it seems I will lose my “P” license, but if I don’t pay the fine then I can’t tax the family car. My wife has an British / International Driving License.
I guess I need to go to Wangsa Maju JPJ and try to sort this out but I don’t have the first idea how to handle this. Any ideas?
Thanks for any words of wisdom on this subject
Best Regards
Andy
You will have to go to JPJ Wangsa Maju to explain to them your predicament. As you only got your “P” recently, your wife will obviously have to bear your car’s last 2 summons. She”ll have to bear the consequences, not you.
greeting cikgu yap,
i was involved in an accident last few weeks. i had to make a police report since i wanted to claim the insurance. so heres the details.
my P license started on 18/11/2009 and will expire on 17-11-2011.
i got the summon from PDRM for “kecuaian jalan raya” and i had to pay before 28-11-2010.
so my questions are.
1. will my P license be suspended when i pay for the summon
2. can i renew my road tax next year
3. can you explain a bit about the “1 year=10 merits”. because in my understanding. i now hv 10 merits right? so does it means that on 18-11-2010 i will hv another 10 merits automatically? if it does then that would mean that i will hv 20 merits accumulated by then right?
thx in advance for you feedback. much appreciated
Not all traffic offenses carry demerit points. Whether demerit points will be awarded to you or not depends of JPJ Putrajaya. When time come to pay your road tax, go ahead and pay it. Who knows, you might be lucky and have no demerit points against you. My advise is, do not be unduly worried.
somehow thats comforting to hear.
thx a lot cikgu yap =)
Glad to hear you’re relieved.
I am on my P license now & i have two summons – for speeding above 26km (caught last year Aug 2009). i failed to stop at red traffic light (in May this year). my license is due to be expired on 29/10/10 & I am concern that my license will be suspended.
What should I do now? shld i avoid the summons now & renew my P license to CDL first? and later pay the summons? please advise!
thank you
A “P” license should not commit the offenses you did. Speeding over 26 km/h will get you 8 points. Not stopping at a Red traffic will get another 10 points. A “P” license who gets more than 10 demerit points within a year will have his license suspended. Unfortunately, in my opinion, you are on you way to losing your hard earned “P” license.
Thanks for the replied.
A quick one, just to clear myself.
You said:
“A “P” license who gets more than 10 demerit points within a year will have his license suspended”
– so my understanding is that above 10 points (means 11 or more) , the license will be cancelled?
Or if u have reached exactly 10 demerit points, the license automatically will be suspended?
thanks a lot! cheers tc
When you reach 10 demerit points, JPJ will decide whether to suspend you or otherwise. Anyway, such things take time.
I need some advice now :(
2 days ago i had an accident
in colliding one . and apprantly i was the last guy behind :( the first car infront did an emergency brake suddenly and the rest followed suit , my car being very old couldnt brake intime
nobodi was hurt and the most damage was my car and the guy’s bumper infront of me
Intotal 4 cars was in the accident including me .
at the end of the day , according of how they follow things , i was to be blame of the damage at the police report .
I have no idea how many points i was demerited or whats gonna happen next . I checked the Jpj website and i have no records yet.Is it a high possibility that my license will be taken away ? Please advice else my mum has to fetch me every morning to college then … would be a big hassle for her..
College Student
You should have considered the consequences and drive carefully. Talking about it now is of no use. Only after you have settle your summons, will JPJ decide on the demerit points.
I receive a summon from pdrm for cutting using emergency lane….and im with my p license and going to renew my p license in 1st of September…..will this affect that i can’t change my p license to permanent license??
And how much do I need to pay for and will I get demerits?
A police summons varies from RM100 – RM300. Summons normally payable within 1 month. You may or may not be slapped with demerit points. It all depends on JPJ.
i had a accident just now ~ and im still in a P license ~ then just now im driving my moms car back home ~ then when in a junction some 1 bang my car from the back (right door ) then thats was my moms car with out P sticker on it ~ so now will my license be pull back or gantung?
the guy say want go balai to report and now i havent go for the accident case so should i ask other to go report or instead of me ?and my P license ends at 7/7/2011 so what should i do now please reply asap
It looks like a minor accident. Anyway, an accident must be reported within 24 hours. You have to drive carefully. “P” license can easily be suspended.
Cikgu Yap i need your help.. last time i hit a car then i report to police and i guess they deducted my mark and now i was caught red handed using phone when driving.. so will my P suspended?
The way you are driving, it’s my opinion your “P” will be suspended shortly. So do be careful.
so will the handphone summon deduct mark?
Demerit points for using handphone is 8 points.